Chen Lan female game players come together to Professor Tao believes that addiction leading to youth crime and even corruption. Chen Lan believes that because of lack of care for troubled teens.
Professor Tao's view is: young people addicted to the network is not correct, causes teenage addiction, various kinds of problems, only through a classification system to effectively treat addiction.
Chan point is: can not call it addiction addiction, troubled teenager obsessed with the network but not because of lack of care in other areas, in addition to game ratings, we is not top priority
Netease game: you Netease game channel users Hello everybody, today is a room to live two representatives to be carried out today is actually a PK, sitting on my right was a woman writer , and she is an experienced player, Lady in the Water; sitting on my left is that everyone is familiar with the first person to quit addiction is also a professor at Central China Normal University, Professor Tao Hongkai, today they will discuss issues of addiction, Before the discussion I would like to begin by telling you briefly explain the whole process of this event:
Netease game: Lady in the Water Forum in NetEase games participated in a solicitation activities Some play games with her husband, living among the interesting, raised the level of interest, Lady in the Water to Yunnan TV to record a program.
one. Chen Lan: I have an obligation to discuss the issues clearly; TAO open: Network degradation lead to national degeneration
Chen Lan: on online games is that the proposal was blocked, as a council person, whether the proposal last comment be adopted.
Netease Games: Professor Tao also attended the same shows, they are discussed in the program. Lady in the Water came back to this program in our Netease published some of his views, Professor Tao the debate, just want him to PK.
Chen Lan: Yes, because the point of view of conflict is relatively large.
Netease Games: Professor Tao is pleased to accept this debate, many people are concerned about, why want to do this debate?
Chen Lan: In fact I think the scene was much to the show does not make clear, did not want to say about them, I think some of the popular views on the ring addiction may actually be on the parents, children, including the cause highly misleading public opinion, perhaps their intention is to save lives, but the actual cause of the effect will be counterproductive, as a writer, but also as a player, as a writer, I think I have the responsibility and obligation to express my point of view, for the audio-visual, but also help others to identify. As a player, I feel it is my duty to my own honor, for my own rights and fight.
Netease Games: Professor Tao, first started a lot of people want you are unlikely to accept this challenge, but you finally came, and for this reason, you are with us have said several times before, with friends said about it.
TAO open: first I felt very boring, the discussion on the discussion, talk about money doing? We never talk about money, but they slandered me, said I was for the money, this very funny, in fact, that discussion is a good thing, I do not agree with PK that matter, between short remote, including between husband and wife, mother and child will have different views between, this is normal, so I'd hope that a rational discussion, rather than online abuse. Especially the last few days, I quit these things, and others every day with me that that's so and so who take the lead in the Internet, the mess I yelled and said how much I lied How much, honestly, is really very shameful.
Chen Lan: first, as I never curse not blog.
TAO open: What do you think those players what curse?
Chen Lan: I think of them is that, one, they curse, largely, from the human point of view,
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TAO open: right? It was the best way?
Chen Lan: Under such circumstances, they will take a more naive or extreme approach.
TAO open: is naive it? Is the wrong way.
Chen Lan: We have heard a lot of friends in the right opinion, big woods, what birds are.
TAO open: 90% of cursing.
Chen Lan: That is because your blog is cursing.
Netease game: the original intention of this program today is to hope that a rational discussion of related issues.
TAO open: that is why I am willing to talk to her cause, she does not curse, unreasonable, be honest.
Netease game: Today we are sake of discussion.
Chen Lan: On-line users will have to go to my blog post abuse, I never deleted.
Netease game: network abuse is a widespread phenomenon.
TAO open: is universal, that government too is not in place, the network culture degenerated to this point, the network's fall led to the downfall of the quality of Internet users has also led to the downfall of national quality, which is very terrible.
Netease game: these acts may be wrong, but we aim to explore ... ...
Chen Lan: of Internet addiction and online games.
II. Chen Lan: Internet addiction is not completely known as , before the two had in his blog on some of the problems expressed their point of view, of course, on the other point of view, there are also comments, good, now we discuss the first question, a prerequisite question: What is addiction? Since it is a challenge from Lady in the Water, first call Professor Tao about his point of view.
TAO open: Internet addiction is a word that addiction is a long-standing, since the ancient times of human addiction is generated after the performance, what is
TAO open: the past, alcoholism, addiction, and gambling addiction, there are many stars their drug use, including the Wen Jun, but also husband and wife.
Chen Lan: You see, this the topic.
TAO open: they were arrested two drug addicts, but their offense was not arrested because they are addicted to drugs, but their drug use, and is gathered to drug use.
Chen Lan: Internet addiction is back up.
TAO open: because he was still working, still singing, still make money, so did not say he is addicted to drugs, but drug abuse is wrong, non-rational behavior, it is the addiction.
Netease game: you actually think that addiction is a manifestation of bad behavior it? Because now there is a saying to addiction is defined as mental illness.
TAO open: it is certainly wrong.
Netease game: Your views?
TAO open: is the psychological behavior, but also the performance of misconduct, from the beginning that addiction is a mental illness, I was the most strongly opposed to it, nonsense, that really want to profit, chaotic hat, I that is wrong. Including computer electrode (sound), I think that is wrong.
Netease game: Lady in the Water side of it? Professor Tao just listening to the (description).
Chen Lan: Do not know Professor Tao has no contact with psychology? If contact with psychology, he would have these words and shame, if you just compare this to say amateurish.
Chen Lan: the so-called psychological addiction, addiction is never the result of an item, but rather a result of defective human heart. He may (because of) this material or the formation of such behavior obsessive-compulsive disorder, he is to keep the Internet is to constantly wash their hands or just want to keep close, but the reasons for the formation of all of our psychology is to identify where the cause of his heart, he may be due to anxiety, he may be due to the lack of love.
TAO open: the whole world are now discussing the problem of addiction, do you deny this? United States, Germany, Britain, Japan, Korea, China ... ... all the psychologists have discussed the problem of Internet addiction, get off you deny it?
Chen Lan: I can deny.
TAO open: you can only personal denial.
Chen Lan: I can the original source, show evidence.
Netease game: We speak with the facts.
Chen Lan: If the camera can be pushed to come, this is the introduction of the latest Ministry of Health explained that this is the authority of the department, I do not believe your authority than the Ministry of Health. Ministry of Health, the original document was
TAO open: There are a few people agree with this view?
Chen Lan: I do not know that this is the authority of the department, I do not agree with your point of view.
TAO open: he authority?
Chen Lan: I'm telling you is authoritative evidence of each.
TAO open: I am more authority.
Chen Lan: I'll tell you
TAO open: German newspaper popular computer game addiction ... ... the world, South Korea, the United States, Japan, Germany, in the study of addiction.
Chen Lan: first that the word addiction comes from where, the word addiction in 1996 or 1995 by a New York psychiatrist put forward, I guess you did not properly trace the word sources. He believes that a virtual community in the information put forward as a comedy, said, .
Chen Lan: Discussion of the problem too much.
TAO open: the formal discussion of the American Medical Association addiction problem, you can deny it?
Chen Lan: People just discussed, and this matter is not already defined, and we were discussing when you say addiction? Moreover, it is the land of the People's Republic, we discussed all the interpretation of the Ministry of Health, you can not cross our most authoritative.
TAO open: Certainly over the ah, why the law should be changed?
Chen Lan: What are your qualifications over? Why do you cross it? Is the fact that you have mastered it?
TAO open: the whole world the facts, you deny this? Ridiculous.
Chen Lan: Who on behalf of the whole society? You represent? I was a member of the community do.
TAO open: Germany, Japan, Korea, in the study of addiction.
Chen Lan: I'm sorry, I investigate the information ... ...
TAO open: turn on the computer to see if there is no information on the Internet addiction research.
Chen Lan: everywhere in our discussion, we also discussed what online games, online games are one hundred percent correct? The issues discussed more.
TAO open: You said you would, I said my words, telling the truth, my words are on the basis of the whole society said.
Chen Lan: Who told you on behalf of the whole society?
TAO open: You have the right to deny it to others to be denied.
Chen Lan: I certainly have the right to deny you, ah, you want to on behalf of me.
TAO open: I have the right to discuss your course, or to discuss what is the point?
Chen Lan: I, as well as hundreds of thousands of players.
TAO open: I have hundreds of millions of players in support of me, but also hundreds of thousands.
Chen Lan: I just want to say, how can you represent us? This piece of paper you just took it?
TAO open: I do not represent your players, funny, on behalf of the masses.
Chen Lan: Vote before? Election before?
TAO open: Of course, after a vote, the motion proposed by the NPC.
III. TAO Hong-Kai: authority that addiction causes of juvenile delinquency; Chen Lan: juvenile crime that is suddenly back in 1980, rising to 70%
Netease game: we change the perspective to understand the problem, because about addiction problem, it is saying is linked together Addiction, addicted to online games, would like to ask Lady in the Water, obsessed with the network or online games addiction, which in itself can not be said that addiction behavior?
Chen Lan: You should be said that children are more fun, he has such problems as addiction, but addiction is not known, it is simple logic, there are various acts of child online, some online Play QQ, some are playing online games, and some online reading, some online movies, he called the film if the film obsession addiction, obsession chat if he called the chat addiction, if he need the love is called the love addiction, how addiction can call it? This is a different concept.
TAO open: She was right also, some browsing addiction, some movie addicts, and some (read) yellow (information) addiction, and now more than 80% of Internet addiction, this is the public security agency statistics.
Netease Games: Professor Tao said that first call to see what your data.
TAO open: If you are a unit, we say there is a question of degree, the children play games, tell you the truth, or have the right to play, including our food is, and picky is not right, are should eat, the more a thing to eat, such as cola drink, but also on poor health, one thing we do over-indulge in, that is bad behavior, so we have to help them, correct them. If you play the game now only a few hundred, thousands, tens of thousands of addiction does not go to school, from crime, that would not become a social problem, is a question from quantitative to qualitative change, why the U.S. did not find the phenomenon of youth crime, addiction because no such reports, while in China, open data, there are tens of thousands of reports to all levels from the Xinhua News Agency, content, data, are the same, this is the result of professional media organizations and research institutions reported data, not my personal say.
Netease game: Because most of these data make you think that young people ... ... the problem or you've been to juvenile detention, most of you think their problems are due to network cause it?
TAO open: No I think, but according to the case, the Shanghai police said the
Netease game: you provide some data, Lady in the Water also found some data here, please show it.
Chen Lan: I do not need to read with something, I can tell you directly, juvenile crime rate in China, of all juvenile offenders (criminals) is the ratio of the number of early fifties or sixties, juvenile crime rate is about 20-30%, when a sudden high incidence of it? Since 1980 China's youth crime rate more than 70% a sudden, please note that, when there is no network.
TAO open: again nonsense.
Chen Lan: I'm The data is derived from the Yearbook of China's juvenile delinquency, juvenile crime,
mens true religion shorts Albanian, the most authoritative information, you can immediately search the Internet, the 2001 data, is 70%. Yearbook of juvenile delinquency in China, is the most authoritative social survey data, it is very strange, then there is no network, and why 70% of juvenile crime to a sudden? What is the reason I tell you, one is generally believed that the development of young people in advance, and not like that sixteen-year-old, seventeen-year-old was developing, and now ahead of schedule. This is the main reason.
Chen Lan: Secondly, the social structure is changing, and the original is a single community, we work, work, not so many people out of work, nor so many parents away from home, this time the community structure has changed and parents began to stay away from home, so it is important to the children the reasons for the rising crime rate, but also the reasons for the internationally recognized, the family must be a child first and foremost cause of crime.
Netease game: you think the majority of juvenile crime is actually not as Professor Tao just as the data presented, indicating that the majority (juvenile delinquency) is caused by the addiction or online games created?
Chen Lan: Yeah, if you push the responsibility of the network will enable us to view the game from the family who, from the social body, the body away from the reality, is very easy to find a scapegoat, but found scapegoat then we can solve the problem?
Netease Games: Professor Tao, you agree Lady in the Water just said?
TAO open: Of course, her data is very funny, you see the data Supreme People's Court, Juvenile Delinquency Research Society statistics show that the number of juvenile crimes in 2007 accounting for 70% of the total number of criminal offenses .
Chen Lan: 2001 is 70% ah, you should go to the Yearbook of juvenile delinquency, and now can be found immediately.
TAO open: which accounts for 14-18 year old minors more than 70% of juvenile crime, the recidivism rate of 80 years in the 20th century, 7%, 90 up to 17%.
Chen Lan: You mean rate of recidivism. I tell you is that juvenile crime rate 80 years suddenly increased to 70%.
TAO open: to 2007 is 70%.
Chen Lan: 1980 is 70%.
TAO open: Well, but we also made it very clear that this is my 05,06 years of data, said very clearly, juvenile delinquency, child does not teach, the father of the over, the key family education, I said too clear.
Netease game: just the two of you to listen to the debate although different, just different on the facts and evidence, but you guys still have a consistent point of view, since the two agree, just mentioned these data, the most important juvenile delinquency, or family reasons?
Chen Lan: Now Otto has acknowledged the family is the main reason, why are you in so many television stations, newspapers continue to claim that the network should block online games, and to ... ...
Tao Hong-Kai: slander.
Chen Lan: your blog, I have seen.
TAO open: you read, I write it?
Chen Lan: Now you can open to see ah.
TAO open: open, I made it very clear,
IV. TAO Hong-Kai: bad game is a trap; Chen Lan: the so-called bit for the poor definition of the network may have different views on their own, Professor Tao said first call your mind about what is
TAO open: we have just said, all prisoners of the errors are not the godfather of the child over, the family did not cause the children self-control.
Chen Lan: The family is the main reason?
TAO open: are the family education properly, why the child will commit a different error? Drug use and some will, some will fight, and some will weariness,
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Netease game: Do you think online games are some of adverse factors of juvenile delinquency (incentive)? TAO Hong-Kai: No, I think, the whole social research, have said very clearly, prosecutors, judges, police, says so, not me.
Netease game: we look back, bad online games, what elements do you think is bad?
TAO open: Simply put, can lead to addictive thing bad things, like drugs, pharmaceutical drugs itself, so to speak, Wen Jun, the couple were drug addicts, but no one that they are addicted to drugs, because he was still a normal singing, money, life, and not hurt others. Speaking of addiction is a very irrational, and affect work, study or even criminal, and that is bad, and those who lead young people indulge, decadent, crime game is bad game.
Netease game: What game?
Chen Lan: specific, and said elements.
TAO open: They have done a survey of relevant institutions. This is the December 23, 2009, 14 games to minors, the most addicted, the first paragraph what is it? DNF; second paragraph is the Audition; third paragraph is the Fantasy Westward Journey, Paragraph World of Warcraft, Di Wukuan crossing the line of fire ... ... Di Qikuan is Tian Long Ba Bu and so on.
NetEase games: What are the negative factors do you think? What is the key?
TAO open: violence, ########ography, gambling, fraud, too many elements, but the way they operate is to lead to addiction, December 28, 2009, I signed article in the the initiative of the game ... ... Many people say that Professor Tao, film, television and novels have depicted violence, gambling, ########ography, why do not you object? We do not claim there are too many such factors, we are opposed, and why film, television, novels such violence, ########ography, gambling's impact on children is not the content of the game so serious? Because the game has three different characteristics:
TAO open: the first is active participation, in TV, movies, novels there, you are passively watching it, the whole process can only accept it ...
TAO open: there is not in the game, he is the protagonist, the process can control the game, tried to kill who, want to open any boxes ... ...
TAO open: he (the player) is the active , tried to kill the number of how many to kill, kill more children in order to escalate, Daguai upgrade. The second is that it's limitless, movies, novels, watching a few days to read, play it, playing several years Dabu Wan, it becomes all the children live.
TAO open: third, that is, it's trap, involving a lot of traps, such as opening the box, a copy of the Vocational ... ... let the children kept revenge, there is a winning mentality, the three feature is not available in other cultural products, which is why today the Minister of Culture proposes to specifically address this problem (the reason), the Minister of Culture may provide more stringent, December 24, 2009, improvement online games and mobile games, the first would change the main game mode Daguai
Netease game: I believe that many things are divided into two, there are positive side, there are bad side, Lady in the Water look at how this thing? I believe you have a bad reckoning also think that the existence of elements ... ...
Chen Lan: I think the teachers are not playing games Tao, he just said is ridiculous, initiative, continuity, existence of these characteristics in all our lives, first we live, is continuity. Third, you can watch unlimited TV continuity, and why? American TV took seven years still making it, that is the infinite extension, how not to say that the U.S. ban the drama, the TV ban, and took a quarter of the second quarter, three quarters also forbidden? There are infinite chess, one of the following can be ready the next night.
Chen Lan: Also, what addiction is not a good thing, put it bluntly, there are many things in this world we addiction, playing chess with addiction, watching TV also, and all entertainment activity may make people crazy. Some people may prefer the camera, such as the master, we like to delve into the machine, nothing to play with, that is the addiction, according to Professor Tao, Otto's argument, we should ban all human civilization and technology all out, because human beings is too attractive, and there are a variety of attractive. There are actors, three days would not let him singing his whole body sick, trick him banned. And I write novels, and two days of not writing fiction, I really went to pieces.
Chen Lan: well, you really do not know for online games, since you rely on this meal, I suggest you have time to play a few games, not all games are Daguai upgrade Not all games are Causing loss of lives, not all games are in there playing ######, violence, put it bluntly, I for one of our players back to a very classic, he said: I was to play game ... ...
TAO open: you are playing the game.
Chen Lan: Know why you are so disgusted with all the players on it? Because you are wrong, forcibly, without their permission to represent them.
Chen Lan: There are some online games may be the drilling of the national legal loopholes, not all online games are like this, which may have some adverse factors, but it is only a small part of the game will naturally be bad regulatory authorities to control and supervision.
Netease game: the mainstream popularity in the game there may be some violence, murder elements, many of which are essential elements of the game, how you look at these things?
Chen Lan: Commercial Games Ye Hao, Ye Hao commercial films, all commercial entertainment, literary and artistic works, there will be a variety of elements, such as some murder, some violence and factors, there is love, there are a variety of different like the existing commercial elements in it, it is natural that, if it exceeds the degree, then welcome to eradicate it out of the state departments concerned, it is possible. If it is just a normal existence, I think we may as well put it as a literary work, television work, they are just right, the right to exist, and secondly, if someone is not appropriate that children play, then this is not gaming itself, but the country the introduction of grading system is not the problem, indeed some of the more horrible game, Resident Evil, I could not play, I think the kids do not fit to play, countries should work out relevant regulations, it is not suitable for children under the age of 13, or The game begins to notice,
Netease Games: Professor Tao listening to the views of Lady in the Water, she thinks there is still bad elements of the game,
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TAO open: she agree with me, she also admitted that the game have a bad game.
Chen Lan: everything in this world certainly has a positive side and the opposite side.
Netease game: the differences between the two is the case now, Professor Tao bad elements that are common for young people in terms of impact and negative impact, but Lady in the Water's view is that this kind of thing is an objective ... ...
Chen Lan: You can not live in a sterile world.
Netease game: but its influence is not so large, does not constitute a social problem.
Chen Lan: Sure does not constitute, certainly does not constitute.
TAO open: 16 million young netizens.
Chen Lan: Who told you that this data is friends young people?
TAO open: Ministry of Public Security.
Chen Lan: certainly not the Ministry of Public Security, I checked, this data is absolutely fabricated.
TAO open: you just invented, that what I get money, funny, honest, and I'll end section catalog Well, with you talking about here, lower my personality.
Chen Lan: do three education, each charging 5,800 yuan a family.
TAO open: I received it?
Chen Lan: I can not find the evidence you collect the money, but you can convince all the friends and family all the participants believe that you did not get a penny?
TAO open: that is your problem.
Chen Lan: Second, those (quit) addiction agencies exist because of you and your appearance so that they can go make money, they are genuine in our money.
TAO open: Crime others should you responsible?
Chen Lan: But you do not know the law of accomplices of a say? very NiuB
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