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I couldn’t live with him because when I got off the plane, he bought me a perfume bottle this big. And I thought, if you think I’m a person who’d like that gift, you don’t have any idea [who I am]. How arrogant of me! And that perfume probably cost him $1,500. Anyway, there was a ballerina who worked at the record company who helped me find a place on the Invalides. It was a tiny pad like you’d have in a movie and I bought a coffeepot and I had my little calico cat, and she’d run out over the rooftops.
Did you speak French?
No. I think it was my way of creating balance,
Panasonic AG-HMC40, because everywhere I went people knew me—it was an unnatural thing. So I threw myself into a place where not only did they not know me but they didn’t speak my language. That lasted four or five months before I went back to L.A. And then I went to Tahiti, and that’s where I met the guy [French musician Pascal Nabet-Meyer] who would become my husband. [They’re now divorced.]
We lived in France for a few years. It feels like it was a long recovery. Not just from drugs, but ultimately realizing I like the glory,
thinkpad t510, but I don’t like the fame. How can I do my job and not have people look at me everywhere I go? I just wasn’t made for that, from the life I had as a little kid. People were very mean to me, they’d draw cootie lines—I moved every year,
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That sounds awful.
It was. Most people don’t want to hurt anybody.... I’m a human being. I don’t want to hurt you, I don’t want you to hurt me. And I can hurt you. I am a badass mother########er. Don’t ######## with me, because onstage people can attack you like white blood cells.
I heard you in probably 1999 on Vin Scelsa’s radio show,
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I had a goat,
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Your daughter was young?
[My daughter, Charlotte,] was just going into the fifth grade. She had learning problems, really dyslexic, but so articulate that teachers would think she wasn’t trying. Anyway, I was a single mom, so I was near my mother so she could be with Charlotte. And there’s always that guy, you know. Charlotte said to me last month,
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Lee was your boyfriend?
Yeah,
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Maybe now that you realize that—
Who cares! I want to work and be happy.
Your album The Sermon on Exposition Boulevard [2007] draws on the New Testament.
The Sermon was motivated by [Lee]. What I said initially,
HP EliteBook 8440w WZ315UT, when I put the record out, was, in our country, people are so damaged and frightened by that word “Jesus.” If I say “Jesus” I bet most of the people in here, their muscles would contract. You could say “Saddam Hussein” and they wouldn’t become so frightened because usually after the word “Jesus” somebody does something embarrassing. I thought, as a neutral person,
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[We’re] part of God’s word being spoken. That’s what I feel most of the time. Sometimes I get a little blue: “Who gives a ######## about the living word? I’m tired.” But I guess we’re supposed to be tired and sad, because that’s part of our repertoire. I get really blue sometimes; I just get so emotionally tapped out.
Do you think you get some good songs from feeling that way?
Depression is touchy because the act of writing is an act of life and optimism. If you’re feeling bad, it’s hard to do. But if I pick up the guitar,
Dell Latitude E6520, right away I feel better. And I guess that goes into the song.... That’s a mystical, magical thing.
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But if you’ve heard her song “Coolsville,” with its ominous-sounding chords, you know that not everything goes smoothly in that rarefied town. With ######, drugs,
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Recently on tour in New York to promote her new concert DVD, Rickie Lee Jones: Live in Stockholm—she’s been doing songs from her first two albums to celebrate their 30th anniversaries—Jones nursed an Americano in a Village coffeehouse and discussed her tremendously colorful life.
Mary Lyn Maiscott: I saw you in 1979. I think it was at the Village Gate—is that right?
Rickie Lee Jones:That was my first New York show.
The person who introduced you said to the audience, “You’re the coolest people in New York City.” Just because we knew about you. When you look back on that phenomenal success, how do you view it?
I think, What a glorious gift. Exactly as a little kid would have dreamed it. And what a wild card,
Panasonic AJ HPX2000, because I wasn’t going to have a great life, otherwise. I didn’t have any great job prospects. My family in general—they’re troubled or poorer people.
You’ve been closely associated with Tom Waits. Did you ever write any music with him?
No, that would have been infringing on a sacrosanct area. He already had a career; he was very protective of that. I was budding in some other realm—dangerously bigger than him. Once in a while we sang together. He had a piano in the kitchen.
I almost can’t listen to Tom Waits because I get a sympathetic sore throat.
Tom, when I knew him, didn’t always sing like that. Sometimes he didn’t put the grit in. Like if you listen to “Diamonds on My Windshield”—I like the sound of his voice coming through. But I guess that grrrr is what has attracted a larger audience, because it’s unique.
Are you in touch with him?
Not a note,
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What prompted you to leave Los Angeles?
How and why that happened? I used to be in hotels. I lived at the Chateau Marmont. In those days it hadn’t been fixed up yet. The night porter told me I was the ghost of Chateau Marmont—I wore sheer flowing things and stayed up all night. He, himself, looked like he was out of the Addams family; he wore all black and his skin was pasty-white. I was in the main room with the balconies. Robert De Niro had a suite there. Then Sting. Then I left there; I went to New York. I got an apartment on Ninth Street and Sixth. I lived there about a year and a half. This was the time I was on drugs; this was the darkest time.
Did you get sober in France?
No, I got sober at the end of my time in New York and was catapulted into the Pirates tour. I was sober from drugs but then I started drinking, and that’s when I got that kind of bawdy reputation. It was really hard for certain parts of the media to let that go. They love to portray women as dying things. It’s romantic, right? We don’t tell that story about men but we tell it about Billie Holiday, Rickie Lee Jones. The fall of the rose.
Was the drinking affecting your tour?
At the time I had an apartment in New Orleans, so I was thinking that I was bringing my New Orleans party onstage. I thought, Janis Joplin drank onstage, why can’t I? What’s her name, the beautiful British girl with the hair?
Amy Winehouse?
I haven’t seen her [perform], but I was probably like Amy Winehouse … too bawdy, too raucous. The way people saw me, the singer-songwriter, the expectations of behavior—I wanted to defy that right away,
Apple MacBook Pro 2009, that’s why I went for that stripper look. I wanted to open it up.
You didn’t want to fall into a Carole King kind of—
Exactly. Or Joni or Laura: this is how we dress, this is how we act. Hey, I’m gonna get up and dance. So that was a lot for people to take in. And that little Girl at Her Volcano record that I made … I put out a recording of me singing mostly jazz because I wanted people to know I’m coming from a jazz background.
Where did that come from,
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My dad. The first songs my dad taught me were “Bye Bye Blackbird,” “The Sunny Side of the Street,” and “My Funny Valentine.” I think all my phrasing and the texture, the airy texture,
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You did that slurry—
I never thought I was slurry, but I like to move with the sound more than the articulation. It was more important to round it out than to make sure you knew what I was saying. Singer first, speaker second.
There’s a kind of truth just in the sound.
You look a little bit like somebody in my family. You have eyes like us. Your eyes remind me of my mother’s eyes. Wow, it’s really something; I wonder if you’re related. Are you Scotch and Irish?
Yes, on my mother’s side.
My mother’s side is Irish, Dutch, and French.
You lived in France, didn’t you?
[Twice.] When I was in Switzerland I met this journalist named Lionel Rotcage. We went dancing and had ###### and I really liked him. After I finished Girl at Her Volcano, I went back to live with him in Paris. He was the son of Régine, a very famous personality; she had this private club. After I was [in Paris] a short time I had a drink before noon—I drank for about a week. Then I decided I couldn’t live with Lionel.
Because of the drinking?
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